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"Clearing the Market" - A study in Republican Doublespeak

Thu Feb 2, 2012 6:03 PM EST
politics, john-boehner, politics-news, foreclosures, home-foreclosures, mortgage-crisis, underwater-mortgages, obama-housing-plan, 112th-congress, john-boehner-forclosures, john-boehner-mortgage-crisis, obama-mortgages
By Porter Rockwell
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On Thursday (Feb 2), the Chief Nay-Sayer of the House, John Boehner, took to the airwaves for his latest condemnation of anything, anything at all that President Obama proposes to help America. This time, Boehner was talking down Obama's proposal to require banks to roll over mortgages so home-owners can take advantage of current low interest rates. Here's what Boehner said:

"All it does is delay the clearing of the market. As soon as the market clears and we understand where the prices really are -- [that] will be the most important thing we can do in order to improve home values around the country."

Setting aside for the moment that this is a bald-faced lie on it's face (It won't delay improvements in the housing market, and in fact, will help a lot.) we should analyze the interesting phrase:

clearing of the market

Just what do Republicans actually mean by that? It's a classic example of Republican doublespeak.

It actually means that Republicans want every homeowner that can possibly get foreclosed to hurry up and get it over with. They're saying to these homeowners, "Quit trying to hold onto your future. Just give up and move into an apartment, a cardboard box or whatever. Declare bankruptcy. Give your home back to the banks, already!!" But they try to make people think it means something else.

Keep in mind that President Obama's proposal would only apply to people who are currently paying on their mortgages. The only difference is that under Obama's proposal, people would get to keep more of their own money because they would have a lower, current market rate, mortgage. The Party of No wants the banks to get that money instead. These people are desperately trying to hang onto their homes. But the Party of No isn't interested in helping them.

Is it any wonder that banks and investment companies are funding Romney's campaign!!

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Lisafrequency

It actually means that Republicans want every homeowner that can possibly get foreclosed to hurry up and get it over with. They're saying to these homeowners, "Quit trying to hold onto your future. Just give up and move into an apartment, a cardboard box or whatever. Declare bankruptcy. Give your home back to the banks, already!!" But they try to make people think it means something else.

What about the people and small businesses that this has ready happened to it's okay that they lost everything right?

I think the banks ought to take their lumps too while we are at it. I think things might clear up if the debt is allowed to clear instead of hanging on to all the bad debt with all the inflation in other markets. Which would mean no more bailouts of any kind to banks and foreign banks, corporate welfare for anyone especially not anyone on wall street or any big corporation or industrial complex no more farm subsidy checks going to 5th ave. addresses either. Why not give everyone a hair cut and start over with more transparency and I think all senate and congressmen and women need to take a cut in pay and kick butts back to their states to let them listen to the people wh elected them speak and express their wishes for government instead of doing insider trading them doing what the lobbyist pay them to do. We could just get back to the limits of constitutional government while we are at it.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 7:18 PM EST
Porter Rockwell

Nice, charitable attitude. You wouldn't happen to be on Boehner's staff, would you?

Why not? Because it's not necessary. All we have to do is let these people enjoy the same free market interest rates that other people can get to stop a lot of unnecessary hardship. Unfortunately, Boehner and The Party of No are more interested in stopping anything President Obama proposes.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:19 PM EST
Randy McMurphy

Andrew Mellon(Sec of treasury) became unpopular with the onset of the Great Depression. He advised Herbert Hoover to "liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate farmers, liquidate real estate… it will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up from less competent people." Except when they did this unemployment went from 5% to 35%,-9% GDP went to -28% GDP

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:38 PM EST
Porter Rockwell

Andrew Mellon ... hmmmmm .... Isn't there a bank named after him?

Gosh! It's impossible and rediculous to think that a banker would be that insensitive and callous. For example, we all know that Romney is a banker and he only has our very best interests at heart.

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:55 PM EST
ryoushi12

Lisa, the banks WON'T take their lumps, they will simply KEEP the property on the books at the FORECLOSURE price, which reflects the INFLATED price it was mortgaged at - claiming it as an ASSET for purposes of having a minimum asset to loan ratio, and they WON'T sell until they can get that price again - ask the the Japanese how that worked out for them for the last TWENTY YEARS.

It always amazes me how little supporters of "free" markets know so very very little about how they work.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:14 PM EST
oldecrankyman

As much as I dislike the tan one, he's mostly correct. Most mortgages are government guaranteed, which is just slowing down the fall in home prices.

The plain fact is that median home prices are still too high given median incomes. Simple deal, no way around it, prices need to keep falling. Such is life.

    #1.5 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:29 PM EST
    Porter Rockwell

    "prices need to keep falling"

    Maybe ... It's a good thing that President Obama's proposal doesn't have anything to do with housing prices. All it does is let people who want to stay in their homes ... and who are paying their mortgages ... stop giving the banks a free gift of above market interest rates.

    It's interesting to me that you relate home prices exclusively to median incomes. What about the underlying costs of construction and material? Isn't your prescription one that will ultimately reduce wages as well? Which will reduce median income ... which will make it necessary for home prices to fall more ... and so on and so forth.

    Great prescription for growth there, Cranky!

    • 2 votes
    #1.6 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:55 PM EST
    oldecrankyman

    It's interesting to me that you relate home prices exclusively to median incomes.

    That's because that's how lenders relate home prices. If the feds weren't underwriting the vast majority of mortgages, most of them wouldn't be written. The only people benifitting in the long run by keeping home prices higher than they should be are the realtors and the lenders. That's not helping our country as a whole.

    Porter, you'd have a point about wages, except that homebuilding in this country these days is almost exclusively done by very low skilled and low payed immigrants, some of whom are legal.

    The wages already went down, if home prices don't also, then homes won't be sold, or if sold will continue to be foreclosed on.

    In what way is artificially inflating the cost of housing a way to grow our economy?

    • 1 vote
    #1.7 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:14 PM EST
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    James Andre

    I noticed this one. A pretty term to disguise the full and harsh consequences of what's being proposed.

    Basically he's saying "we should'a lost another couple a million jobs!"

    • 5 votes
    Reply#2 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:07 PM EST
    Uthaclena

    There is SO much obfuscation in the political and economic language, and is predicated on the fact that many people don't have a sufficient depth of understanding to follow anything beyond the sound bytes. One of my favorites is that when discussing "free enterprise," the differences between "Mom 'n Pop, home-based entrepreneurialism and "corporate capitalism" are pretty deliberately blurred. This allows the argument to be made that if you regulate the latte you are automatically squashing the former.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:09 PM EST
    Porter Rockwell

    What!!?? You don't believe in socialism for the rich! What kind of American are you anyway!

    I was watching TV today ... a commercial for the Chinese national airline came on ... y'know, the big bad "communists". They're offering "elite" service to those who can pay for it now. But wait! They're still communists!!

    There hasn't been a real communist movement in America - heck, in the world - since the Mormons tried it in the State of Deseret back before Johnson's Army convinced them that they weren't a theocratic country after all.

    • 4 votes
    #3.1 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:30 PM EST
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    digcreation

    if you are a strict capitalist, you believe that the downcycles of the economy are important to its health. In the same way fires are important to the health of a forest. So it shouldn't be a surprise they say things like this, it is consistent with their beliefs.

    What I don;t understand is where the idea cane from that it was the governments job to protect the marketplace, but not the people. Especially from the laissez faire community.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#4 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:12 PM EST
    Porter Rockwell

    I KNEW I wasn't a strict capitalist!

    Thanks for helping me clear that up.

    • 3 votes
    #4.1 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:32 PM EST
    Randy McMurphy

    "The care of human life and happiness and not their destruction is the first and only legitimate object of good government." --Thomas Jefferson to Maryland Democrat-Republicans, 1809.

    • 3 votes
    #4.2 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:43 PM EST
    digcreation

    no problem porter.

    • 1 vote
    #4.3 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:13 PM EST
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    Porter Rockwell

    Generally, I think everything happens for rational, real-world reasons. But the fact that John Adams and Thomas Jefferson died on the same day, the 4th of July, exactly fifty years after the Declaration of Independence was signed, is a coincidence of an order that even shakes my lack of faith.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#5 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:51 PM EST
    digcreation

    statistically there has to be coincidences every so often.

    my brother and I were born on the same day, four years apart. that's either an incredible coincidence or my parents were very disciplined.

    • 1 vote
    #5.1 - Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:12 PM EST
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    Lisafrequency

    So just keep stepping on the people who have lost everything right they have gone down so just forget them right?

    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Fri Feb 3, 2012 7:29 AM EST
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