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Federal highway dollars pay for Southern Oregon bus shelters that cost as much as a house

Seeded on Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:10 PM EST
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Seeded by Porter Rockwell
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A small town in Oregon pays over $100,000 each for bus shelters, but it's federal money so ...

Why does this kind of thing happen?

I live in a small town and my wife volunteers to help serve at the Senior Citizens lunch that is sponsored by the county. They have to estimate the number of people who will show up and not everybody likes everything that is served. So my wife brings home a small plastic container of extra stuff for the dog occasionally.

We were informed that this was strictly against the rules. It has to go to the county landfill instead.

On the other hand, we also read of people abusing the rules for their own enrichment, building shoddy stuff for government and short-changing us on what we get. So ... how do we stop it.

Meaningless political schoolyard insults are not helpful, by the way.

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Rockwater-1211171

Regrettably, the article does not really indicate HOW the cost reached such obviously ridiculous levels.

    Reply#1 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:08 AM EST
    Porter Rockwell

    You're correct that all of the details aren't there, but there is enough to make some general conclusions. For example, engineering costs were over $100,000 before any construction began. At five shelters, that comes to $20,000 per shelter just for engineering costs.

    Now ... what would "engineering costs" include?

    Having been a project manager myself once ... (In a totally different field, but I think some of the same considerations would apply.) ... these are the costs that anybody can throw into the project when they're running short in their own budget and they need to shed some costs. Got a doofus that can't tie his shoelaces but he's costing your department $15,000 a month anyway because you can't get rid of him either? Make him an "engineering consultant" for the bus shelters project. It's federal money!

    In my own field (computer software development), IBM died (and then came back from the dead ... corporations can do that) of exactly this disease. Departments that did absolutely nothing lived for decades strictly on internal billing. Talk about $50,000 toilet seats! IBM had $5.00 punched cards. (There are a couple of thousand in a box.) So this kind of thing isn't limited to governments. It's a disease that is related to a lack of accountability in any organization. (The Catholic Church, for example, is rife with it right now.)

    But all this analysis still begs the question. The question is, "What can we do to keep this kind of thing from happening?"

      Reply#2 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:12 AM EST
      Rockwater-1211171

      Perhaps, projects such as "Bus Shelters" should fall into a group such that the cost of a new one should be capped at no more than (pick a number) 110% of the average cost over the last (pick another number) 5 years of similar structures/projects in (pick a third number) 10 similar venues. The extra 10% allows for materials and wages increases. AND, if they are all alike, then only pay for ONE set of "Engineering" work.

      Also, one would think that by now there are enough existing designs of (in this case) "Bus Shelters" that there ought to be some sort of catalog of designs one could pick from. I bought a set of architectural plans for a 3 bedroom house with an in-law apartment, 2 car garage, and LOTS of room, single story, for $230!

      Hell, I can build a roomy, weather tight, bus shelter for 10 - 15K without even trying. I'm building a 14 foot by 44 foot shed and won't crack $7K!!! Granted it's on a pre-existing foundation, but still - a Bus Shelter foundation need be nothing more that some pipes sunk into the ground 4 feet! Of course one hopes the utility lines/pipes are actually where the maps say they are, but that survey should already have been done and paid for when the lines/pipes were installed.

        Reply#3 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:48 PM EST
        Porter Rockwell

        At first consideration, it sounds good. But think about it just a bit more ...

        What you have actually proposed is a whole new layer of regulations. In general, I don't like the "libertarian" positions on things (the "no new government" crowd) but I can actually get on board their ship on this one. Adding another layer of regulation may prevent actual construction costs from exceeding "x" dollars, but like too much mayonnaise on a bologna sandwich, it will squeeze out somewhere else.

        It seems reasonable to me that the excess "engineering costs" of this project were a result of the multiple layers of review required by multiple layers of government involved. And what about park pavilions? Entry way pergolas? Car park covers? Carried to a logical conclusion, this would actually be the "Full Employment Act for Bureaucrats". And I doubt that we will like the bus shelters we get as a result.

        But don't take offense I didn't say I had a solution. In fact, if I have a point to make at all, it's that problems like this are a lot easier to criticize than they are to solve. I serve (on a volunteer basis ... I don't get paid) on the local Planning Commission where I live (not anywhere near Grants Pass, Oregon) and there are plenty of people who yell at me on a fairly regular basis. Part of my answer to all of them is, "If you don't like what I'm doing, you try it."

          Reply#4 - Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:11 AM EST
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