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Of the People, By the People, For the People

Mon Jan 2, 2012 11:34 AM EST
people, constitution, rights, us-news, corporations, amendment, personhood
By Porter Rockwell
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Corporations are not people. Only people are people.

Of all the first principals that America was founded on, this one seems to be the one most in need of being remembered. It doesn't seem like something as obvious as this should need to be reaffirmed, but now that the Supreme Court has ruled that corporations have rights, just like people, it does. As the 2012 political season enters it's third year, one of the leading candidates, Romney, has even said that "corporations are people too".

Corporations are not people. Only people are people.

Comedian Stephen Colbert, a South Carolina native, wanted to put this question to the people on the South Carolina primary ballot. Using the same tool that corporations use to control elections, he formed his own "super PAC" and offered to pay half a million dollars for the cost of the primary election just to get this question in front of South Carolina voters. On this occasion, the South Carolina Supreme Court made it impossible.

Corporations are not people. Only people are people.

What, exactly, does it mean when lawyers decided that corporations are people too? It means that they have "rights" just like people do. In particular, the Supreme Court has now decided that a corporation has a "free speech" right just like you and I do and that, therefore, nobody can tell a corporation how much money they can spend, or where they got the money, to get candidates for office elected.

Corporations are not people. Only people are people.

Where did anyone get the idea that a corporation was actually a person? Believe it or not, the primary justification was inserted into the text of a Supreme Court decision by a law clerk by mistake in an obscure decision back in 1886. But since the decision was published that way, lawyers hired by corporations pounced on it and, like mice chewing away at the fabric of the Constitution, they have been enlarging this loophole ever since. In an even earlier 1819 case, the famous lawyer Daniel Webster successfully convinced the Supreme Court that a contract granted by King George could not be overruled by the legislature elected by the people of New Hampshire because the private corporation that held the contract had rights, just like you and I. Not someone who worked for the corporation ... the corporation itself.

Corporations are not people. Only people are people.

One of the main reasons that a corporation is not a person is that a corporation is timeless, ageless, and boundless. A corporation lives forever and can outlast you. A corporation can operate simultaneously across the nation and around the world. It can command the loyalty of hundreds of thousands, and if those prove to be not loyal enough, the corporation can discard them and hire thousands more who are more loyal. No person and even no generation has been able to stand against corporate power. Thomas Jefferson warned against this kind of power in his letter, "The earth belongs to the living." Corporations are often the expression of the will of people long since dead, but the lawyers have ruled that their will - through corporations - can control us, the living, anyway.

Corporations are not people. Only people are people.

The 1886 mistake, and the great leap into personhood by corporations, was given life by an amendment to the Constitution that was enacted in large measure to correct another Supreme Court mistake: the Civil War Dred Scott decision that decided that some people - slaves - were not actually people under the Constitution. The 14th Amendment to the Constitution put that right by declaring in clear, ringing words that:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

But the courts have now decided that a corporation is actually a person. A corporation - not someone who works for the corporation or someone who owns shares in the corporation - the corporation itself - can enforce a contract. In 2010, by a contested 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court has ruled that a corporationhas free speech rights. Will corporations get the right to vote next? In place of the people who work there to cut out the middle process of buying elections?

Corporations are not people. Only people are people.

Since the laws created corporations as people, the only solution now is for the laws to destroy this idea again. It was a mistake, just like the Dred Scott decision was a mistake. We can correct it the same way, through a new constitutional amendment. One that rings out: "The rights protected by the Constitution of the United States are the rights of natural persons only."

The next time you get a chance to talk to anyone running for public office, ask this question:

Should corporations be considered to be people under the law?

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Boudicea

I don't have a problem with "corporate personhood" per se. It's not a new concept at all, and the C.U. decision just affirmed it. Should corporations be treated like persons? Absolutely. They have to be, or you would never be able to sue a corporation, or tax it, or let it buy land, or own buildings, etc.

We've gone way off the deep end with this "corporate personhood" meme. It's NOT A BAD THING. The problem which needs to be addressed is a very specific one - campaign spending. So let the whole "corporate personhood" thing go and just address the PROBLEM in question, without going overboard and creating a whole new set of issues.

I favor a Constitutional Amendment that says simply campaign contributions can be made ONLY by American citizens and put a limit on the amount. period. done.

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Reply#1 - Mon Jan 2, 2012 12:37 PM EST
Porter Rockwell

Since 1886, the concept of corporate personhood just included contract law. Then, in 2010, five members of the Supreme Court opened the door to the whole Bill of Rights by justifying their decision on the right of free speech.

There is absolutely no reason why you couldn't sue or tax a corporation if a corporation wasn't a person. A person has rights, but a corporation can have assets. It is a bad thing, and we need to get rid of it.

    Reply#2 - Mon Jan 2, 2012 12:59 PM EST
    Boudicea

    You have NOT said why it's a bad thing. I have given you reasons why it is not.

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    #2.1 - Mon Jan 2, 2012 1:09 PM EST
    Porter Rockwell

    Did you read the article?

    "One of the main reasons that a corporation is not a person is that a corporation is timeless, ageless, and boundless. ... " You might try reading it again, this time for comprehension.

    But, let's ask the reverse. Why is it a good thing? Do you really want corporations to have the same rights and priviledges that you and I have?

      #2.2 - Mon Jan 2, 2012 2:00 PM EST
      Boudicea

      Your attitude does little to encourage polite conversation - and since I'm the only one who bothered to even come here, I find that interesting. Therefore, goodbye.

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      #2.3 - Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:10 PM EST
      owlsview

      I was about to ask if you would be kind enough to provide some links so I could read up on the Daniel Webster Case and the mistake that was allowed to stand though it was discovered.

      However the young lady has a point, why were you so rude? Goodbye.

      • 4 votes
      #2.4 - Mon Jan 2, 2012 3:36 PM EST
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      Steve-4686503

         Methinks Boudicea and owlsview are a bit too thin-of-skin.  Porter was simply trying to make a point - Boudicea did in fact miss something already clearly stated.  Porter may have sounded a bit curt, but under the circumstances I think it was warranted.  Again, I think Boudicea needs to try  subjugating her feelings if she wants to engage in a meaningful conversation.

         Now, Porter where are those links owlsview requested; I too am interested.

         Regarding the issue at hand.  To me it's the old comparing of apples to oranges: people are the apples and corporations are the oranges.  They are in no way comparable.  A "person" is a biological entity, an individual, with all the attendant limitations (read: financial resources).  A "corporation" is (can be) a large conglomeration of individuals (persons) whose behavior is not even close to that of a person.

         I totally agree with Boudicea that our current campaign finance system is really messed up; it has succumbed to that vice that has afflicted the U.S. (really mankind) from the beginning - greed and the (supposed) power that accompanies it.

         Finally, campaign financing is just one aspect of our political system that is completely out of whack.  How does campaigning for 18 to 24 months prior to an election make any sense?  It doesn't.

        Reply#3 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 5:38 PM EST
        Porter Rockwell

        No problem. Happy to oblige.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dartmouth_College_v._Woodward

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad

        Campaign financing is on our minds right now because in almost a year (GAWD ... Make it stop! Make it stop!) we will finally have an election. But I still think the root of the whole problem is corporate personhood. It just makes no sense.

          Reply#4 - Sat Jan 7, 2012 9:48 PM EST
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